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2010-02-27 15:02:12 CT | #1 |
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Bart Mathias From: United States Registered: 2007-01-13 Posts: 320 |
I don't know whether this is of any interest or not. The problems I find are Oddly, I have not been able to start PageStream by clicking on the icon. I thought maybe removing DEBUG and DEBUGFILE from the configuration file Most things I have tried work, as is probably to be expected, but I find it The main things that don't work are fonts and colors. Today the Edit I played with drawing shapes (I don't remember how to change pentagons to Opening files created in 5.0.3.3 works, except for not being able to fix the I am very pleased about this, because I have had to boot with the OS4.1 disc Printing as PostScript works fine. Saving as PDF works fine. A major improvement importing graphics: without thinking I tried a jpeg, and After I put a graphic in the middle of a text frame in one of my early I bet getting Scripts to work is way down the line... -- |
2010-02-27 19:42:47 CT | #2 |
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Deron Kazmaier From: United States Registered: 2006-01-29 Posts: 4639 |
Hello Bart, First, I'm tickled that someone else is having good luck with PageStream
No, the Amiga release is _always_ dumping the data to the "debug" output > Most things I have tried work, as is probably to be expected, but I find it That is the way it _should_ be > The main things that don't work are fonts and colors. I think what you mean is font selection via popup, and for some reason > Today the Edit You will need to either use the font menu, or better yet, the Font... > I played with drawing shapes (I don't remember how to change pentagons to You can change the default number of sides etc the polygon tool uses by > and filling them with colors. Only two colors Ah! That is not SoftLogik Colors being empty (that gives you color > Printing as PostScript works fine. Saving as PDF works fine. Yea! > A major improvement importing graphics: without thinking I tried a jpeg, and I believe all the filters are available, including png, jpeg, tiff, anyway, glad it worked as well. > After I put a graphic in the middle of a text frame in one of my early Ok, any chance you can supply any kind of stack trace/segment offset etc. > I bet getting Scripts to work is way down the line... Do you mean PageStream macros, Arexx scripts, or Python scripts? The Deron -- |
2010-02-27 18:34:04 CT | #3 |
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Bart Mathias From: United States Registered: 2007-01-13 Posts: 320 |
On 02/27/2010, PageStream Support wrote: > [...] Assuming that the "Font... dialog box" is what one gets by clicking >> I played with drawing shapes (I don't remember how to change pentagons I just had a go at that, but no sign of an edit palette! I'm not getting one Nothing! What can I have done? I've often had to move them out of the way >> and filling them with colors. Only two colors Defaults not only has PageStream5 Colors, it also has Colores, Couleurs, >> Printing as PostScript works fine. Saving as PDF works fine. And I tested my current draft announcement, to go out in a few days. Mail >[...] I'm afraid not, but if it happens again, I'll try to get something. >> I bet getting Scripts to work is way down the line... I had jumped to the conclusion that all those .py scripts were Python. Now I had tried using some in 5.0.3.3. It must have been before I started I'll try some. I had successfully used the text warping thing at least once |
2010-02-27 22:18:25 CT | #4 |
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Deron Kazmaier From: United States Registered: 2006-01-29 Posts: 4639 |
Ah, you must mean the ones in the WIP folder (Work In Progress). A Anyway, the WIP folder are the ARexx scripts that need to be rewritten In theory, any prior ARexx scripts should continue to function. Of One more fun tidbit. When you export a PageStream macro on the Amiga it Deron -- |
2010-02-28 10:52:18 CT | #5 |
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Don Cox From: United Kingdom Registered: 2006-02-07 Posts: 1261 |
On 28/02/2010, Bart Mathias wrote: >
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2010-02-28 07:51:25 CT | #6 |
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Deron Kazmaier From: United States Registered: 2006-01-29 Posts: 4639 |
Don Cox wrote: I doubt he checked. At this point, running from shell, it sure seems Deron -- |
2010-02-28 16:27:51 CT | #7 |
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Bart Mathias From: United States Registered: 2007-01-13 Posts: 320 |
On 02/28/2010, Don Cox wrote: > On 28/02/2010, Bart Mathias wrote: The one in question started as a 260K pgs file and became a 426K pdf. The biggest one I know I ever did for sure, via 5.0.3.3, was only 2Mb before But hold on, I'll put this on Hold (in case I crash the system) and see what ... Lucky I did. PageStream crashed (PSI, but "Ignore PSI errors" didn't
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2010-03-01 09:39:28 CT | #8 |
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Don Cox From: United Kingdom Registered: 2006-02-07 Posts: 1261 |
On 01/03/2010, Bart Mathias wrote: I keep all images external, but the PGS files are still around 50 or 60 Sorry, I can't do any testing right now - deadlines loom. Regards |
2010-03-01 10:52:36 CT | #9 |
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Paul R. Zager From: Unknown Registered: 2004-08-16 Posts: 106 |
Deron, I had a quick chance to try out 5.5 on my A1 with update 1. Most problems seem font related now. If the first thing I But if I merely open a new document, I can draw shapes and This is all after adding Pagestream5 to the JIT exemption I don't think my experience is much different from others -- Proud Builder of Frankenthousand, the monster A1000 "Bride of Frankenthousand" A4000 Gave her life for her young The Young Frankenthousand AmigaOne G4-XE, ATI Radeon 9250, |
2010-03-01 20:28:08 CT | #10 |
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Deron Kazmaier From: United States Registered: 2006-01-29 Posts: 4639 |
Paul R.Zager wrote: I can live with all of that. It was the troubles of getting to the > This is all after adding Pagestream5 to the JIT exemption I still don't understand this. PageStream is 100% C compiled with GCC, > I don't think my experience is much different from others If I don't hear from someone who _can't_ use 5.0.5.5, I will strip out Deron -- |
2010-03-02 00:02:51 CT | #11 |
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Don C Ferguson From: Canada Registered: 2006-03-01 Posts: 729 |
Greetings "Bart Mathias" <mathias@hawaii.edu>
BM> I don't know whether this is of any interest or not. The problems I find are Not here. So far, 5033 (i.e., 5.0.3.3) is much more solid than 5055. Can only perform a few operations before 5055 either brings the GR to the fore or simply becomes inoperative. Sometimes a short 'recovery' from the GR is possible by selecting "Ignore DSI errors" but on return to PageStream it is not long before (sometimes immediatlely upon return) there is a functional freeze---mouse stills runs around but nothing works.
Same here. But I now run 5055 indirectly from a shell by mounting a simple ARexx script on AmiDock. It sets the stack to 300,00 bytes but I'm not convinced that is so important. I've run 5055 from a shell with the stack at 36,856 bytes and it worked just as well.
I removed the DEBUG lines too, and the response is still slow---almost tolerable!
Here I cannot support "most things" but delighted that 'some things' work.
Same here: Edit Palette refuses to change the current font and always claims that Zip is the active font. But, as you point out Type -> Font -> Choose... work well. Unlike you, I DON'T get a "short list" of fonts when accessing the menu «Type -> Font». Also, when the popup list of fonts from «Type -> Font» appears, the currently active font is identified *correctly* whereas the Edit Palette always claims that Zip is active. As to colours, I'm not sure. My first test failed when working within a text frame created by PgS5033 since on calling I compared the «Pagestream5 Colors» files, and as they were about the same size, the one in 5055 was hidden, then copied the 5033 guy into the «Defaults» directory and renamed it to «Pagestream5 Colors» and then opened 5055. All went well but there were no new colours, and as soon as I requested that the «Color palette» be opened, PageStream died. So I did the same trick using the «PageStream4.colors» file. Copied it over, renamed it. Seems like a stupid thing to do but when 5055 opened, there did not appear to be any changes!!! Tried to change text colour by selecting a CUSTOM colour. After fumbling around, was able to choose a bright red colour, but on return to the "Line & Fill" requester only Black was shown. Somehow I managed to change one paragraph to sickly yellow, but could not reproduce that. The "Line & Fill" requester is weird---everything seems to be duplicated. Two "Line" buttons, two "Fill" buttons and so forth. Undoubtedly there will be a simple explanation.
Confirmed here! Everything was Zip. No point of attempting to use the font substitution at this point methinks. Once the file loads, then changes possible with «Type -> Font». BM> Fortunately the menu fonts short list showed what I needed, so I was able Confirmed here.
Not here and we have the same PostScript printer. I only tried to print the «5.0 Flyer.pgs» file, after modifying it a bit, but after 17 minutes (went for a tea break and phone call) there was no discernable progress despite the fact that PageStream 5055 claimed it was printing page 1, and the printer declared that it was "Printing document".
Have not tried that yet. Good news thought. BM> A major improvement importing graphics: without thinking I tried a jpeg, and No bonus here! Tried a single JPEG and although it loaded nicely (did not use "leave external") PageStream was immediately inoperative. The GR did not appear in this case.
Without mu usual scripts I feel rather strangled, and although default Styles can be called, upon using them Zip reappeared and the PageStream ided. Well .... there is more to report, but not tonight.
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2010-03-01 22:26:30 CT | #12 |
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Bart Mathias From: United States Registered: 2007-01-13 Posts: 320 |
On 03/02/2010, Ferguson, Don wrote: > Greetings "Bart Mathias" <mathias@hawaii.edu> Our experiences show a big difference between OS4.1u1 and ... are you still 5.0.3.3 won't work at all on my OS4.1.1. When I absolutely have to do I don't get many GRs. I'm starting to develop a sort of memory of what
I've thought of writing a script, but so far typing "te" TAB "pg" TAB "pa" >[...] Notice that I qualified "most things." Mayhap you try more things than I. >> The main things that don't work are fonts and colors. Today the Edit Did I say Type > Font > Choose worked? I can report that that has hung my I also discovered today that at least some times when I thought I was > Unlike you, I DON'T get a "short list" of fonts when Usually the Edit palette shows me nothing. There is no space for a string > The Mail Merge requester has that kind of duplication as well. > (Except as noted above, it turned out to be Artistic.) > <<snip>> One thing I have learned is not to print directly to the printer from >> [...] I have always used "leave external" with perhaps one exception when I did it > <<snip>> As Deron pointed out to me, those .py scripts are not python after all, but
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2010-03-02 09:40:40 CT | #13 |
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Don Cox From: United Kingdom Registered: 2006-02-07 Posts: 1261 |
On 02/03/2010, PageStream Support wrote: >> This is all after adding Pagestream5 to the JIT exemption AOS4 users are regularly talking about adding programs to the exemption Regards |
2010-03-02 22:18:30 CT | #14 |
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tony wyatt From: Australia Registered: 2006-05-26 Posts: 28 |
Hi Don, On 2/03/2010, you wrote: >> I still don't understand this. PageStream is 100% C compiled with GCC, cheers |
2010-03-02 13:22:10 CT | #15 |
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Neil Pearson From: United Kingdom Registered: 2006-04-02 Posts: 133 |
Hi Bart, Deron & all, >>>> Printing as PostScript works fine. Not on 68k it doesn't, as the Postscript driver will not load into the Deron, are you aware of this problem? I did send you a separate message >>>> Saving as PDF works fine. I managed to save a PDF from 5.0.5.5 on 68k Amiga Classic, though it was not Deron, any MUI fix likely for this in the very near future ? Also, I can obviously run PgS 5.0.5.5 via the SHELL/CLI, .... BUT... it I have also mentioned that if I run it just from the SHELL as PAGESTREAM5 I found starting PgS 5.0.5.5 from the SHELL/CLI with the command RUNBACK Neil Pearson |
2010-03-02 13:41:45 CT | #16 |
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Neil Pearson From: United Kingdom Registered: 2006-04-02 Posts: 133 |
Hi Paul, > Most problems seem font related now. If the first thing I I am using an 060/50 based Amiga 1200, and with that choosing fonts I have > But if I merely open a new document, I can draw shapes and I find initially after PgS 5.0.5.5 is unarchived/setup, there are no fonts Well that's my findings from the testing I have had chance to do with PgS Bye for now, Neil Pearson |
2010-03-02 15:56:06 CT | #17 |
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Bart Mathias From: United States Registered: 2007-01-13 Posts: 320 |
On 03/02/2010, Neil Pearson wrote: > Hi Bart, Deron & all, I'm not positive I follow that. The requester box is the thing top center But I'm not sure that's what you mean, because I don't think double clicking I don't see any Postscript options requester. I have "Send to:" with five Then comes a "PPD:" requester. This was the hard part originally, because I There is a blank requester-looking-thing after "PostScript file:" on the Bart -- |
2010-03-02 20:15:57 CT | #18 |
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Don C Ferguson From: Canada Registered: 2006-03-01 Posts: 729 |
Greetings "Tony Wyatt" <wyattaw@optushome.com.au> Hi Tony, <<snip>> I don't think that is true Tony. Version 5.0.3.3 is designed for PPC, but the current 5.0.5.5 that we are testing is for OS3 and 68k stuff. At Deron's website, under Amiga-OS3-68k one finds downloads for 5.0.5.4 and 5.0.5.5, whereas under Amiga-OS4-PPC one finds 5.0.3.3. For me, running under OS4.0, I find 5.0.3.3 is much more stable than 5.0.5.5 but still is not very reliable.
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2010-03-02 23:02:54 CT | #19 |
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Don C Ferguson From: Canada Registered: 2006-03-01 Posts: 729 |
Greetings "Neil Pearson" <neil@pearson.1to1.org>
NP>>>>> Printing as PostScript works fine. NP> Not on 68k it doesn't, as the Postscript driver will not load into the Well here, OS4.0 is emulating the 68020 processor and I certainly don't get the behaviour that you describe. Couple of days ago, I tried to print the «5.0 Flyer.pgs» file and PageStream 5055 was not able to process the file. Perhaps I did not wait long enough, but 17+ minutes is long enough for me. However, spurred by your comments, I tried again a few minutes ago and was able to print a simple template---some sort of "school attendance sheet" that is in the «documents» directory of 5055. So that gives me some hope for further printouts. However, unlike Bart, I cannot say that "Postscript works fine." I was going to print one of my old 5.033 files, but on trying to "fix it up", because of the takeover by that dictatorial font Zip, I soon met the GR and then PageStream 5055 cashed in its chips. <<snip>> Good to hear that, I'll try it one of these days.
An 800x600 screen! I would not like to run PageStream on a screen with that low a resolution, although, in the 'old' days, I ran it on a much cruder screen (A1200 days!).
Yes, that would be wonderful, but I recall Deron saying that he was having great difficulty with the MUI. Would not the MUI programmers be helpful???
I'll say! I certainly would have given up! However, you said "obviously run via a shell"!?!? Is that telling us that you can run 5055 from the executable icon?? I've never got that far.
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2010-03-03 23:22:20 CT | #20 |
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tony wyatt From: Australia Registered: 2006-05-26 Posts: 28 |
Hi Don, On 2/03/2010, you wrote: >> But... but... the JIT is only for 68K code. It's not used by PPC cheers |
2010-03-03 22:01:17 CT | #21 |
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tony wyatt From: Australia Registered: 2006-05-26 Posts: 28 |
Hi Don, On 2/03/2010, you wrote: >> But... but... the JIT is only for 68K code. It's not used by PPC cheers |
2010-03-03 20:42:00 CT | #22 |
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Michael Merkel From: Germany Registered: 2006-02-07 Posts: 454 |
PageStream Support wrote on 01.03.2010 > Paul R.Zager wrote: i don't see a difference here if i place pgs on the jit blacklist. so i see regards... |
2010-03-04 00:22:17 CT | #23 |
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Don C Ferguson From: Canada Registered: 2006-03-01 Posts: 729 |
Greetings "Bart Mathias" <mathias@hawaii.edu>
Starting all over again. I've just recovered from a lockup with PageStream 5055. Solid! Had to us a cold reboot to get back to YAM. Should have saved the brillian dialogue that I had composed before more experimentation with 5055. :-0 <<snip>> Yes!
That's ridiculous! Such reports must be frustrating for Deron.
When you boot from the OS4.1 install disc, then what version of PageStream do you use? When you were using OS4.0 I thought that 5.033 was your 'main' PageStream since you could not use 4156 at all!!!
It is a constant threat here. That's why I set up an ARexx script to open 5055 from AmiDock to deal with those unending freezes.
BM> Notice that I qualified "most things." Mayhap you try more things than I. I doubt it! Proof? OS4.1! QED
Ok, now I know what you mean by "short" or "partial" list. Until last night, I had so few fonts installed that the "short list" would reveal them all. But after throwing in more font families from the «TTfonts» directory in my 5033 setup, I have now to use the full «Type -> Font -> Choose...» to get a new font.
BM> Font > Choose worked? I can report that that has hung my Essentially the same here. A few minutes ago I used it to type two sentences into a text frame, using a different font for each sentence. That worked fine! When I tried the same trick for the third sentence, PageStream frooze solid (dead mouse) and required a cold reboot. I had the same response last night when I was trying to change the font in use from Zip (or was it Artistic?) to something else after loading the «5.0 Flyer.pgs» file, In fact, highlighting a paragraph and applying a 'new' font did NOT work, although I've had it work in text frame wherein I typed the text by hand before making a font change. So «Type -> Font -> Choose...» is dicey but seems to work on occasion.
Yes, I noticed that tonight. On my list of fonts, Artistic is the first one listed. I tried to scroll down to Zip for comparison, but on the way PageStream dies.
As noted above, I retract my comment about the "short list." However, if the current font is visible in the list, then it is correctly identified by the bullet marker.
It lies! What does one do with those entries «Collections» and «Arrage By»?
Last night, I had a better session. Was able to print a single page! One of those templates that comes with 5055 and 5033. BM> One thing I have learned is not to print directly to the printer from Well ..... I certainly don't have to do that with 4156 or 5033, but I will try it with 5055 and see if that is a more reliable route.
For me the advantage of using "leave external" is that PageStream then records the use of that graphic and you can get a list of the graphic files used from the REPORT guy. That is very useful at times, but photos look so 'bad' when "leave external" is used that I'll often load them into the file, check that they appear okay, then delete and reload using "leave external". Cheers Don (Green Dragon) |
2010-03-04 12:48:55 CT | #24 |
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Deron Kazmaier From: United States Registered: 2006-01-29 Posts: 4639 |
Michael Merkel wrote: The problems you (and others) are having at this point are most likely I'm still waiting for anyone running MorphOS to give a positive response Deron -- |
2010-03-04 12:03:23 CT | #25 |
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Bart Mathias From: United States Registered: 2007-01-13 Posts: 320 |
On 03/04/2010, Ferguson, Don wrote: > Greetings "Bart Mathias" <mathias@hawaii.edu> Well, I'm obviously a faster learner than you. I always put my YAM > <<snip>> Well, yes. I'm so used to the situation of having to use 5.0.3.3, which I >[...] Hooray for small victories! > For me the advantage of using "leave external" is that PageStream then More things on my to-learn-about list. I am not cognizant of a REPORT guy. -- |
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